Sorry I missed this post yesterday, I wasn't on here much. I did watch the cermonies though, and it's still surreal to me 25 years later. It felt like a movie, a disturbing one, a terrifying one, a disgusting one, and an enraging one. I remember all of the various emotions running through me at the time, and I can still fill those feelings lingering today. I never forgot, and never will, but it pains me to see so many that have, and those that were not alive yet that will never understand. I love our Country stand with all those that were affected by this tragedy. God Bless America!

Okay, I was on the fence of whether or not to post this on this thread, or somewhere else. This thread was meant as a tribute for 9/11, nothing more...

But what I will say is this: At my core, I am not a conspiracy theorist. I think on a grand scale, most humans over-estimate the reach and capabilities of a full scale conspiracy that covers up incidents on a global scale that affect billions of people. For instance, I do believe in Aliens, but I "don't" believe that we have had legit visits by them, and that Area 51 has a bunch of Alien corpses in it.... I do NOT trust our governement, but with so many moving parts and people in it, I "generally" think that there is some form of accountability in most cases, and while some people do "vanish", I think in general, most conspiracy theories are garbage...

Like, the earth is not flat. We know this... We do actually go into space. Yes. 

Do I think that the US government has more knowledge of Covid and where it came from, YES, I do.....

But in general, I try and look at things with an open mind, but whenever I hear some crazy idea or theory, I try and poke holes in it for my own sake. Just to try and decide if it's worth a deeper look or not, and more times than not, the east answer that is looking you right in the face is in fact the truth.....

So, I say all of that to say this: 

There is nothing since 9/11 - 2001 that has ever really made me go down the "9/11" rabbit hole. We all saw it happen. We were all witness to it.... Bin Laden took responsibility. Muslims everywhere celebrated.... It had nothing to do with Iraq, but we attacked them anyway. We waged wars for no reason, but used 9/11 as an excuse... That, I believed. Because that is government and politics. We had been waiting over a decade for a reason to go back to the middle east, and 9/11 gave lil' Bush every reason to go back and finish what Daddy started....

So, with that, I never argued. That all seemed clear enough to me...

But for whatever reason, this year in 2026, leading up to, and after 9/11 2026, my feeds had somehow been filled with ALL KINDS of video and posts from people disputing the legitimacy of what happened at 9/11..... So, we have heard it all. "Buildings don't fall that way" and everything.....

But man, I am talking about dozens of different sources here, and a lot of them were showing the same video and audio clips from back then, and even before it... So, I will just highlight some of the things that have been repeated over and over, by professionals, scholars people that were there. So here are some of the reoccuring things that I have been seeing a LOT lately, which I hadn't really seen back in the day.

- In 1995, the leader of Israel at the time said "We have gotten word from muslim terrorist watches that they are targeting the World Trade centers. We deal with terrorism here every day, and unless the US starts paying attention, the terrorist attacks WILL BRING DOWN BOTH towers, which are the tallest buildings in the world". This was in 1995.

- On September 10th, 2001, the exact same statement was made on TV from Israeli leadership. There is an immanent threat in the US and it is targeting New York City and the World Trade center... This was the DAY before..... On live TV....

- Also in summer of 2001, I watched a report on the IDF and Israel and how at the time, their most successful tactics were "False Flag" attacks that they carried out, under the illusion that it was performed by Islamic terrorists.

- On September 11, 2001, 5 Israeli's from the IDF were seen dancing on top of a truck on a bridge, AS THE IMPACT had just happened. A woman watched this happened, got it on video and called the police. The police arrested them. They had a moving truck and said they worked for a moving company. FBI went to the movie company. Empty office. All 5 were detained for 70 days, then deported back to Israel. One week after they get back to Israel, they are on Live TV being interviewed. And the host asked them "Why were you in the United States". And all 5 replied "We were there to document the event"..... Yikes. 

Again, these clips are all real. I watched them. These guys said this on Israeli TV....

Then, there are the 50 interviews I saw from first responding survivors. I watched over a dozen police and firefighters talking about their time IN THE BUILDINGS. A few reported that there were explosions going off UNDER them, prior to the first plane hitting, and then another guy that went back in 10 different times to get people, said that he could hear explosions a couple of floors above him. Every single responder that went back into the building all reported hearing MULTIPLE explosions above and below them..... There was a still shot of what looked like 8 individual blasts on 8 floors all on top of each other, all blasting an explosion at the same time....

They said "It was fuel lines, or oil lines"... No, they brought professionals in and they all explained how NONE of that would happen. 

Then comes building 7... This is a weird one. I watched two broadcasts from the US. One NBC and one FOX. BOTH OF THEM were filmed in NYC, with a live background of the wreckage. In the background, as this is being said "Build 7 is standing tall, literally in the frame behind them" And on both networks, they say "We just got word that Building 7 has collapsed, or there are explosions reported". Simulteneously on the other network, they do the same thing. 1 hour prior to building 7 falling, they get word over their ear pieces that building 7 fell. And it sits there, intact in the background for another hour.....

Then they find the terrorist pilots passport 5 blocks from the trade centers, completely intact, after the fact... Huh?

And then it's the hundreds of architects and experts that say OVER AND OVER about how the pyshics of a collapse CANNOT repsond that way. A free fall is demolition only. Even if the top 50 floors collapsed, they would crumble down in stages, stopping  and crumbling in erratic patterns and not a straight free fall....

Again, I have heard the "this had to be controlled demo" argument a million times, and while I understand that, and it makes sense, I just figured "Shit, we have never seen jumbo jets crash into the largest buildings ever erected" so that kinda puts science at a disadvantage there, since we have never seen anything like it....

And here is another kicked: The dude that bought the lease from the trade center just 3 months before 9/11 knew that there was asbestos in every inch of the building, and that the remodel would cost more than the buildings themselves. One month before 9/11, the guy took out an insurance policy on both towers. They offered him 1.5 billion for both buildings. He declined, paid more and insured each building for 3.5 billion. 

And this man reportedly never missed ON DAY OF WORK. Ever. He was there. Every. Day. 2 of his kids also worked in the trade centers. Himself, nor any of his family members reported to work that day... First time in YEARS that that had happened. 

In the weeks leading up to the attack, "art students" from Israel were allowed access to both buildings for week.....

Anyway, I am on the fence. No clue just like the rest of you.... But for some reason, I have really been inundated with information and videos and materials that are REALLY starting to make me think.....

What do you buoys think? For almost 25 years, I have just thought of 9/11 for what it was......

There as another chilling video that was from 1999 I think, and they said that "When the world trade centers fall, the US is going to wage a war on the following countries: There was 7 total. It was Iraq, Syria, Lebenon, Afghanistan, a couple other, and then #7, and the final piece of the pie, was, you guessed it: Iran"... And this was a news broadcast out of Israel. It was an opinion piece, but it laid out EXACTLY what the US was going to do once they were attacked. And, that is EXACTLY what we did.... Shit, in the Israeli Broadcast, back in 1999, THEY ARE WARNING THE US ABOUT HAMAS!!! FUCKING HAMAS!!" I didn't even know they existed back in 1999. 

Yeah, I have heard / seen all the theories, and the various circumstances, alleged reports, etc. etc., it's very difficult for me to believe anything I see / hear these days, there's so much propaganda and much of it is geared toward attacking the Jews, Israel, IDF, Mossad, and making victims of the Muslim / Islamic world, which I'm very hesitant to jump on that bandwagon. It has had a very damaging effect on our Country, just look around. Deerborn Michigan, New York City, Minnesota, hell, even Texas / Florida has a growing population and giant Mosques. It is very obvious to me that this is tied together, and was always the plan. We have white liberal dummies and naive people running around screaming "Free Palestine", not realizing, those same people would take their life if they had the opportunity. Not one of them would leave the USA and go live in Palestine, not one, but I digress.

Here's what I know, or think I know. Radical Islamic terrorists were the ones who flew those planes into the buildings, and Osama was the "mastermind" or leader. BUT, Osama was connected to the CIA, who Daddy Bush previously ran, then Junior became POTUS and boom. The Clinton's and the Bush's KNEW this was going to happen, we now know from internal documents that have been declassified. Of course they did. Look at how Bush is chummy with Obama and the Clinton's. It is no accident.

It makes sense why Bush didn't go after Saudi Arabia, they partnered, he needed a bad guy, and So Damn Insane / Hussein was an easy target, Daddy Bush had a grudge anyways since I believe he wanted him dead. Bush declaring victory like a retard the way he did was when I was finally done with him, and the war raged on. I just had a feeling about him then, and with time, that feeling only became stronger not weaker. 

That said, I don't know what to say about the buildings and how they fell, I'm not an expert, but it sure wouldn't surprise me if there were explosives pre installed in the buildings to help bring them down. Who did that people can debate. I know the stories about the Jews and the workers in the building beforehand and all that. I just don't know. 

What I know about the world in general though, is that people are people, all are sinners, some more than others, and within every country, within every government, within every military, will be bad actors, and those bad actors usually find a way to work together to achieve a common goal or shared interests. While we care so much about sovereignty and the Good Ole USA, others do not, many are fine with selling out their Country to selfish interests, and if it happens here, it happens there, and it wouldn't surprise me one bit if there are bad actors on both sides working together while they get us fighting each other about it.

Long story short, I really have not a freaking idea anymore. The whole world is a pysop. 

Here's a conspiracy for you, I don't necessarily believe our military (Rob O'Neill) killed Osama, and I don't necessarily believe he was given a burial at sea. I do think it's reeeeeally convenient to not have a body to show us that he really is dead. 

Yeah man. One very Ironic point that I failed to mention as I tried to unload all the random thoughts floating around in my head.

Do you know the exact statement that Bin Laden made RIGHT before 9/11, and then again, right after 9/11?

Well, here it is: 

"Free Palestine" - He literally used those EXACT words when claiming responsibility for 9/11. He used Palestine in particular as the primary example of "Muslim Land" that was no occupied by "Infidels" or Jews, or however you want to label it. Even back them, Palestine was #1 on the priority list for Arab Muslims at the time, and here we are today, WITH AMERICAN PEOPLE, IDIOTS LIKE MACKLEMORE, Screaming "Free Palestine" and really having no IDEA what they are saying....

So again, I am not suggesting that this was soley "The Jews" or anything like that. What I am saying, is that Israel DEFINITELY knew about it. They warned us, told us. We either knew and let it happen, or didn't listen. Regardless of how that played out, Israel had IDF in place, in NYC to WITNESS the event take place. 

That tells me all I need to know on a fundamental level, but that doesn't explain all the logistics. 

And as I tried to explain my thought process to my wife, she said the tyical, logical counter arguments about "why"? Why would we do this....

And again, I don't know. But let me put it like this

500,000 American died in World War 2.

75 Million people Globally died in WW2. 

It is said that upwards of A MILLION Russian soldiers have already died in the Ukraine war. 

I could go on and on and on about the numbers, and we are NOT Russia. But the point is: When a large, powerful nation is looking at the long game, or the future. And in Russia's case, it's a land grab to try and go back to the USSR days, but they have to weigh: What is a Russia life worth? How many Russian lives in the future will profit if we lose a million of them now?

That kind of thing....

So, behind closed doors, these souless "protectors" or whatever you want to call them, are all looking at the middle east and the future. Trillions of dollars in oil. Future Terrorist attacks. The spreading of Islam Radicalism.... A million factors. They have been looking at the middle east for 40 years as a hot bed for a potential world ending clash. They have oil, money, power over there. And we have wanted it. BADLY....

So, after waiting a decade for a "reason" to take a strong hold in the middle east, and to spend a few ZILLION dollars on weapons, defense, contracts, military, all of it.... They were waiting and waiting...

So. What if? Just what if? These memos and warning DID come through the desks. You have military leaders, CIA, NSA, whomever all sitting in a room with a bunch of IDF spies. And the memo says "On September 11th, 4 planes are going to be hijacked and flown into buildings across the US. The total estimated fatalities will be around 5,000 people. 

Now, we can A) Stop this from happening and go and FUCK them up.... or we can B) Just pretend we never saw this memo, we keep our close friends and family out of harms way, and we just "let this happen". And with those results, NO ONE IN AMERICAN will question how or why we are going into the middle east... So the question was: Is 5,000 innocent American lives worth saving potentially 10s of millions in the future?

Whether that is right or wrong, at this point, it is not that outlandish to consider that this was a possibility...

And what if. Just what if, they chose door number 2, and said "We are going to let this happen. This is the PERFECT unifying incident that will get 100% support from the US and all of the west. And right after those comments were made, what if the IDF guys said "Hey, can we chime in here"?

And then the IDF dude stands up and says "Okay, well, what if it doesn't work? What if only a couple hundred people die? What if a couple of the planes don't get successfully hijacked. We HAVE to make sure this works... So, why don't you kind US dudes give us keys and some access to the buildings for 14 days prior to 9/11 and we will make SURE that those mother fucking towers fall and that the destruction will be maximized, forcing your hands and leaving you no other choice but to take action....

Again, I am just pulling this out of thin air. But after reading and watching all that I did, thoughts like this appeared in my head and it made me think, well, after all, that is NOT that crazy of a possibility....

And I did a poor job of using this reference to the wife. But I was trying to use Covid as the example. I basically told her: Sure, when Covid first happened, I don't think the US or anyone in our power structure knew what was really going on. But very shortly thereafter, they KNEW. Regardless of what that knowledge WAS, they KNEW. They knew damn well if this came from a Wuhan lab. They knew DAMN well if it was engineered or not.... But shortly after it happened, I 100% believe that the powers that be kept us ALL in the dark. And they not only DIDN'T tell us the truth, they lied. They helped Fauci lie. They hid the truth. They helped push the vaccines on us, knowing the potential consequences. So, I don't believe that there is some red button, somewhere in a bunker, where they click the button and everyone that has MRNA in their bodies just all drop dead... No, I don't think that...

But what I KNOW is, the USA did NOT look out for it's people. It used this as a political showcase and tested us like monkeys and Guinea pigs. I think they let 10s of thousands, and hundreds of thousands or people DIE, all the while knowing more than they wanted us to know....

So, if our own people are willing to do those things to us, and it's clear now that THEY DID, why should I believe that some rich and powerful dudes sat in a room talking about the billions they could make, and the power we could have, at the expense of "only a few thousands of people"... If you get people in a room that make hard decisions like that without bringing personal emotions in it, YES, I believe that the powers that be absolutely could have let this happen, and even assisted in making SURE it went as terribly bad as possible....

That wouldn't shock me ONE BIT. 

So, not saying ANY of this is truth or fact, but for some reason, just over the past week, I tried opening my mind up a little and just saying, man, what if? All these people are saying they saw this shit with their own eyes. And when I went back and watch Israeli television predicting this in such great detail, with times, dates and specific info on exactly what countries we are going to attack when it happens, and we did just that? 

I mean, I believe in coincidences, but that ain't no fucking coincidence. 

Israel is our buddy and has been for some time. We were besties in the those times still. We share info, weapons, jets, training. The entire Israeli IDF airforce was trained by the US Navy. they used our planes, our guns, our weapons and our tactics....

So, if the Israeli's knew. We fucking knew too....

And the sick and sad part is this: ALL OF THIS COULD HAVE HAPPENED WITHOUT THE PRESIDENT AT THE TIME ACTUALLY KNOWING. Plausible deniability and all of that. If you were in a situation like that, and decided this was a good idea, then you would certainly not let the POTUS know. You keep him in complete darkness about it... Then one morning in September, you walk into a classroom while he is reading to children and whisper in his ear: "Mr. President, we are under attack. The Twin Towers just fell" or whatever.....

So, this isn't some "Bush knew. Obama knew. Trump knows. Biden knows".... Nah, I don't even think that is the case....

By the time this his Bush's desk, it was probably too late. They same people that set this up, or let it happened, were the SAME ones that brought POTUS in at the time, sat him down and said look, we HAVE TO ACT. AND ACT NOW...

And Bush probably sat there thinking like a logical American.... Well, why? Why go after Iraq? They had nothing to do with it.... Then a few Military leaders step in "Well, Mr. President, we have solid evidence that Iraq has WMDs. We must move".... And after a lot of convincing, he finally says, okay, we have to go....

Not saying Bush would have had nothing to do with it, but in this case, it would make the most sense if NO ONE at the top really knew the details. In government shit like that, these people don't WANT TO KNOW. If you know, you are culpable, or dead. 

So, just saying. I had a LOT of fucking questions lately, that will never get an answer.